<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I've mostly figured out how to get things working with CDT but it still doesn't work. I'll keep trying tomorrow (during whatever free cycles I have). Because we depend on mpicc to build the code, however, it makes things much more complicated. You can't rely completely on make, except for the building part. Most of these IDEs still want to know the underlying toolchain. Perhaps I can trick CDT by getting mpicc to show what command it is actually running under the hood.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Perhaps we can spend a bit of time discussing this on Wednesday. I personally feel like I (and probably others) would be more productive if we can use modern tools to develop Thorium programs. I'm able to do quite a bit with vim/emacs and friends (and often prefer this once I get more fluent with a code base) but think it would be great if we can support CDT "out of box" so to speak.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">George</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Anyway, I'm going to put this on our agenda for Wednesday. I've spent a substn</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>George K. Thiruvathukal, PhD<br></div><div style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"><div style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"><i style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">Professor of Computer Science</i><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">, Loyola University Chicago</span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"><i>Director</i>, Center for Textual Studies and Digital Humanities</span></div><div style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"><i>Guest Faculty</i>, Argonne National Laboratory, Math and Computer Science Division</span></div><div style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"><div style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">Editor in Chief, <a href="http://www.computer.org/portal/web/computingnow/cise" target="_blank">Computing in Science and Engineering</a> (IEEE CS/AIP)<br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">(w) <a href="http://gkt.tv/" target="_blank">gkt.tv</a> </span><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">(v) 773.829.4872</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Boisvert, Sebastien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:boisvert@anl.gov" target="_blank">boisvert@anl.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> From: <a href="mailto:biosal-bounces@lists.cels.anl.gov">biosal-bounces@lists.cels.anl.gov</a> [<a href="mailto:biosal-bounces@lists.cels.anl.gov">biosal-bounces@lists.cels.anl.gov</a>] on behalf of George K. Thiruvathukal [<a href="mailto:gkt@cs.luc.edu">gkt@cs.luc.edu</a>]<br>
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> Subject: [BIOSAL] question about Thorium build options<br>
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</span>If you run with mpiexec -n 4 with local processes, Open-MPI uses the BTL vader or sm by default to send messages between processes.<br>
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</span>I did use Eclipse CDT for reviewing some biosal code and I liked it. You can "Go to definition" and other fancy options like that.<br>
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</span>Right, I think figuring out how to invoke "make" from CDT would solve that.<br>
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